1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:30,000 作詞・作曲・編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 2 00:00:30,000 --> 00:01:00,000 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 編曲 3 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:29,980 Thank you. 4 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:59,980 Thank you. 5 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:29,980 Thank you. 6 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:59,980 Thank you. 7 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:29,980 Thank you. 8 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:59,980 Thank you. 9 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:29,980 Thank you. 10 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:59,980 Thank you. 11 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:29,980 Thank you. 12 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:59,980 Thank you. 13 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:29,980 Thank you. 14 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:59,980 Thank you. 15 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:29,980 Thank you. 16 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:59,960 Thank you. 17 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:29,960 Thank you. 18 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:59,940 Thank you. 19 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:29,920 Thank you. 20 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00:32:01,760 Thank you. 66 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:59,760 Thank you. 67 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:29,760 Thank you. 68 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:29,740 Thank you. 69 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:59,760 Thank you. 70 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:59,760 Thank you. 71 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,760 Thank you. 72 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,760 Thank you. 73 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,760 Thank you. 74 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:59,760 Thank you. 75 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:29,760 Thank you. 76 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,760 Thank you. 77 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:59,760 Thank you. 78 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,760 Thank you. 79 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,760 Thank you. 80 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,760 Thank you. 81 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,760 Thank you. 82 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,760 Thank you. 83 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,760 Thank you. 84 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,760 Thank you. 85 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,760 Thank you. 86 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,760 Thank you. 87 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,760 Thank you. 88 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,760 Thank you. 89 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,760 Thank you. 90 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,760 Thank you. 91 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,760 Thank you. 92 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,760 Thank you. 93 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,760 Thank you. 94 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,760 Thank you. 95 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,060 So why today you do these議題 96 00:41:26,060 --> 00:41:27,760 because the election came to 97 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,160 and suddenly very concerned 98 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,800 and then say I want to do how to do 99 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,000 No way to do it 100 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,440 But you're the person who is the president 101 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,040 You do these議題 102 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,740 You're not going to join 103 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:41,420 But as a result, as a senator 104 00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:43,720 I'm always going to be here to deal with 105 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,580 and to solve the problems 106 00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:47,260 We won't hide 107 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:48,260 We won't hide 108 00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:49,880 We're the most露露 109 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,380 just to face the problem 110 00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:52,520 to solve the problem 111 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,280 And as a senator, you're not going to join the meeting 112 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,320 Mr. Booyal, you can't join us in a minute 113 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,320 Please start 114 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,260 In terms of education 115 00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:03,620 Actually, we've been through the托育 116 00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:05,160 And this is what I've been doing 117 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,200 This is what I've been doing 118 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,260 I'm not going to join the meeting 119 00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:09,800 I'm going to do the things 120 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,140 But I just kept thinking 121 00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:13,700 Mr. Chairman, you've just answered 122 00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:16,500 really with my question? 123 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:17,440 Because I was asking you 124 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,740 Why don't you do these meetings? 125 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:21,300 But you've just answered 126 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:23,680 I'll be right back to the meeting 127 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,040 This is not the answer 128 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,720 The answer is more important 129 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:27,640 You're going to let the議会 130 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,180 You're going to let the議会 131 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:28,820 Let the議会 132 00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:30,180 You're going to let the議会 133 00:42:30,180 --> 00:42:30,280 You're going to let the議会 134 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:30,720 You're going to say 135 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:31,520 You're going to get the家長 136 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,580 Get that once 137 00:42:32,580 --> 00:42:34,580 But this is what you're going to do 138 00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:35,860 Even if I'm a member of the參選人 139 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:37,360 I'm going to get the four times 140 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,660 So in this case, I want to ask you 141 00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:39,460 Because on the梁不振 142 00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:40,660 下梁歪 143 00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:41,120 You're going to the right now 144 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,520 You're going to the right now 145 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,160 宿院会12次出席一次 146 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,460 法规会12次出席一次 147 00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:49,800 宿院会16次只出席5次 148 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,300 但是副刚经控的董事会 149 00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:54,500 16次出席了14次 150 00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:56,040 请问你是不是在带领着 151 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,100 你的局所首长 152 00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:59,900 连会议都不主持跟参加 153 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,240 讲完先生回答时间一分半 154 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,740 请开始 155 00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:05,980 我想陈委员对于行政端 156 00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:07,820 还是必须要有了解 157 00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:09,120 在台北市政府 158 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,160 我们就是分层负责 159 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,660 分工合作 160 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:14,500 我们有各项的工作会议 161 00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,560 有各项任务型的委员会 162 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,400 那各局处相关单位还有机关 163 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,740 他们定期拟定相关的政策 164 00:43:21,740 --> 00:43:22,960 了解问题 165 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,880 然后将各项的方案 166 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,440 提报到市城会议 167 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,780 我们来做跨局处的讨论 168 00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:29,880 排版定案 169 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,940 身为市长 170 00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:33,740 我更主持三个重要的会报 171 00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:34,740 治安会报 172 00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:35,780 道安会报 173 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:36,840 公安会报 174 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,340 也全面掌握 175 00:43:38,340 --> 00:43:39,440 各项台北市 176 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,520 攸关安全的各项议题 177 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,080 所以这就是整个市府 178 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,120 运作的常态 179 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,840 但是 180 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,760 省委员一再纠结在 181 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,280 各项的工作会议 182 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,620 我想身为市长 183 00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:53,080 我们当然必须要抓大方向 184 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,800 做正确的决策 185 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,760 如果省委员 186 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,060 你这么在意这些工作委员会 187 00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:59,200 那未来 188 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,360 你是不是至少 189 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000 在立法院的这些委员会 190 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,500 至少这几个议题 191 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:06,040 你应该去关心 192 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,380 我想面对各项的议题 193 00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:09,300 你也举出 194 00:44:09,300 --> 00:44:10,680 包括我们局处首长 195 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,080 参与各项会议 196 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,620 但是我们就是依照相关的分工 197 00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:17,080 大家彼此来负责 198 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,680 就掌管的业务 199 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,460 来参与来讨论 200 00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:21,120 所以我想 201 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,120 省委员 202 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,680 其实面对面跟民众沟通 203 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,060 跟家长沟通 204 00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:27,300 这个才是最实际 205 00:44:27,300 --> 00:44:29,440 能够听到最真实的声音 206 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,040 如果你一再纠结 207 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,640 各项的工作会议 208 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,500 我想不切实际 209 00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:34,900 好 210 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,280 两位都提问一轮了 211 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,800 现在要进入第二轮的交叉结问 212 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,300 而接下来要请蒋岸先生 213 00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:41,840 向沈不阳先生提问 214 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,040 时间一分钟 215 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,340 请开始 216 00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:46,420 卓文泰院长说要推动 217 00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:48,520 首都圈黄金狼带 218 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,180 苏巧惠委员公开说 219 00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:52,120 他要让淡海科学城 220 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,220 连接北市科 221 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:54,860 变成AI狼带 222 00:44:54,860 --> 00:44:56,620 省委员我想请问 223 00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:57,760 你是否还记得 224 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,940 下面这些话是谁说的 225 00:44:59,940 --> 00:45:00,940 科技狼带 226 00:45:00,940 --> 00:45:02,600 是要狼什么带 227 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,540 商圈才需要土地 228 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:05,940 内科南软跟北市科 229 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:07,640 到底要串联什么 230 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,540 我认为说出这三句话的人 231 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,140 根本不懂AI产业的需求 232 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:13,240 你觉得呢 233 00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,620 你又说要在市民大道高架桥下 234 00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:18,080 打造各式的一纹狼带 235 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,860 请问你知道目前市民大道高架桥下 236 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:24,620 市府管辖可利用的面积有多大吗 237 00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:26,060 市民大道高架桥下 238 00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:27,760 又有几处停车场 239 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,900 总共多少个停车位 240 00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,100 这些停车场的平均客满时数 241 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:33,420 有多长吗 242 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:36,700 未来打造一纹走廊的停车问题 243 00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:38,140 请问省委员 244 00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:39,560 你要怎么解决 245 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000 你到底有没有具体的思考过 246 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,280 你提出来的证件想法 247 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,320 讲完先生的提问 248 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,540 请省委员先生回答 249 00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:48,480 时间两分钟 250 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,120 请开始 251 00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:52,560 谢谢讲师长的提问 252 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,960 我长得像卓荣泰 253 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,600 我长得像苏巧慧 254 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,060 就是说我们现在讨论台北市的市政 255 00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:00,960 不过我还是回答你 256 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,400 就是从卓荣泰院长在讲的 257 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,560 他指的是什么 258 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,060 是跨不同县市的朗袋 259 00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:07,660 你刚刚提到 260 00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:08,760 巧慧提到的 261 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,960 从淡海一直到北市科 262 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,040 是跨不同县市的 263 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,680 不同县市本来就很常讲朗袋 264 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,380 但是在台北市里面 265 00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:19,780 你提到的是什么 266 00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:20,940 你讲的是内科 267 00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:21,620 南软 268 00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:22,440 北市科 269 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,580 以及之后 270 00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:25,280 你想要把松基废除之后 271 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,520 那一边那个办公室的朗袋 272 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,720 那时候我就问 273 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:30,420 AI里面有算力层 274 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:31,420 有软体层 275 00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:32,680 有应用层 276 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,780 台北市看起来适合的 277 00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:35,680 应该是这应用或者软体层 278 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,220 算力层可能不在台北 279 00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:37,980 这就是为什么 280 00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:39,560 跟跨不同的县市 281 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,120 会有朗袋的讨论 282 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,880 但是应用层在台北 283 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,800 每一个几乎都是所谓的 284 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,620 AI的客户 285 00:46:46,620 --> 00:46:47,720 所以在这一个当下 286 00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:49,200 我们要讨论的反而是 287 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,760 在招商的过程当中 288 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,840 我们除了回答 289 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,360 大家要进来的时候 290 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,040 你要用什么的机制吸引大家 291 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:56,640 这也是为什么 292 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,240 我提出台北研究院 293 00:46:58,240 --> 00:46:59,580 跟国科会结合 294 00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:00,500 TTA 295 00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:01,240 在北市科 296 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:02,780 本身就可以成立园区 297 00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:03,880 跟居民共荣 298 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,020 并且真的吸引让AI的人才 299 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:07,780 从国小一直到大学 300 00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:08,960 一直到研究院 301 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:09,980 变成是一个 302 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:12,420 跟国际合作最好的方式 303 00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:15,060 而至于你刚刚提到市民大道 304 00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:16,800 从线性公园 305 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,500 一直到台北车站 306 00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:20,360 一直到双执行 307 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,540 在跨过市民大道做缝合的 308 00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:25,640 就是现在的台北市政府 309 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,500 台北市政府在做这些专案 310 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,040 以前就一直有提出 311 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,140 但是没有办法确实的执行 312 00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:33,240 反而是你在现在的当下 313 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,240 你已经说要来做这样的一个缝合 314 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,540 那为什么你讲缝合的时候 315 00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:41,520 我讲缝合就会变成是一个问题呢 316 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,060 所以我想在这边呢 317 00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:44,320 市民大道的盘点 318 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,820 我们也不是要废除下面的停车格 319 00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:48,600 我们是要从中间去做 320 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,160 相关的人流的船 321 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,660 好 蒋万安先生再继续一分钟 322 00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:53,560 请开始 323 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,060 声务员提到狼带的事情 324 00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:57,860 跨县市可以狼带 325 00:47:57,860 --> 00:48:00,200 台北市我们要打造的产业狼带 326 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,580 就是狼什么带 327 00:48:01,580 --> 00:48:04,780 你对同一件事情都会有不同的标准 328 00:48:04,780 --> 00:48:07,240 另外你说市民大道缝合 329 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:09,840 但你知道这是铁路地下化之后 330 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,680 然后我们把它打造的市民大道 331 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,120 但是你先说它切割了南北 332 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,220 难道新生高架金融高架切割东西吗 333 00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:20,220 所以你对台北的历史 334 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:21,220 相关实际状况 335 00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:23,220 真的非常不熟悉 336 00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:25,800 另外你也谈到内湖交通 337 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,200 你要打造一个 338 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,200 跨越基隆河的自行车桥 339 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,860 花9.5亿 340 00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:31,960 但是你知道 341 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,080 每天有非常多上班族是住在新北 342 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,780 他们要花这么多时间骑车上班 343 00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:38,740 一天辛劳 344 00:48:38,740 --> 00:48:40,680 要花一两个小时回家吗 345 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,880 你说要在条通重树设车架 346 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,280 你知道那边的条通平均路宽 347 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,840 只有6到8米 348 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,840 而且多半是单行道 349 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,840 你打算设立什么样的车架 350 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,340 种什么样的树木 351 00:48:53,340 --> 00:48:54,840 做得到吗 352 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,520 继续请沈梵阳先生回答 353 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,420 时间1分半 354 00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:58,420 请开始 355 00:48:58,420 --> 00:49:00,020 很感谢这个蒋市长 356 00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:01,020 反而让我在这边 357 00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:02,220 还可以跟大家解释 358 00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:03,820 什么叫做缝合 359 00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:06,420 像因为缝合毕竟是一个专有名词 360 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,000 但是我用搜狗为例 361 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:08,960 搜狗的人潮 362 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,700 如果要跨越市民大道 363 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:11,660 到微丰 364 00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:13,160 这个时候其实就有一种 365 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,840 空间跟心理的隔阂 366 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,840 不是因为你有这个路口 367 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:17,840 你就一定会走过去 368 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,840 所以一直到今年 369 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,840 台湾都还有论文在讨论 370 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:21,840 要怎么样把人流 371 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,420 能够轻松的引过去 372 00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:26,520 你不能只是靠现有的路口 373 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,660 这就叫缝合 374 00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:28,840 这就是你在做 375 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:29,840 到建兴公园 376 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,840 到台北车站 377 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,840 到双子星 378 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,840 就是你现在正在做的事情 379 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:34,840 所以在建筑界 380 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,840 讲到新生高架 381 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,840 讲到建国 382 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,840 东西可能有 383 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,840 因为这样需要缝合 384 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,840 南北当然也需要 385 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840 再来你刚刚提到自行车桥 386 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,840 你提到松基如果废除之后 387 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:46,840 你也要盖桥 388 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,840 然后让这个交通变得更为顺畅 389 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,840 那请问桥墩的问题 390 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,840 你要怎么解决 391 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,840 我为什么提出自行车 392 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,840 就是因为有桥墩落点的问题 393 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,840 再来 你这一个做了之后 394 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:58,840 你做的是从松山 395 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,840 可能从民生社区到内湖 396 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,840 问题是要疏解交通 397 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,840 很多人可能是住在新北 398 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,840 要到内科工作 399 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,840 他开的是高速公路 400 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,840 他不会开到民生社区 401 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,840 然后再过桥 402 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,840 然后再到内湖 403 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:12,840 所以你这样的解决 404 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,840 内湖的交通方案 405 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,840 反而让我觉得非常的疑惑 406 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,840 所以当你今天提出 407 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:19,840 这些方案的时候 408 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,840 反而好像显得 409 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,840 你对于这个市政的熟悉度 410 00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,840 并不是那么的清楚 411 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,840 谢谢 412 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,840 接下来由沈北洋先生提问 413 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:29,840 蒋湾先生回答 414 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,840 提问时间一分钟 415 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:32,840 沈北洋先生 416 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,840 请开始 417 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,840 刚刚这个市长提到 418 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,840 就是这个所谓的这个标准 419 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:40,840 那我一直都觉得 420 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,840 蒋湾市长 421 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:42,840 你对于这个SOP 422 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:43,840 这件事情 423 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,840 掌握的感觉不是那么的清楚 424 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,840 像这个无烟城市 425 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,840 没有做完评估就上路 426 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,840 那这个公务员呢 427 00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,840 还要排班在那边鼠烟地 428 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,840 这个遮阳散海了一年多 429 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,840 预算在最后三个月的时候 430 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:56,840 从1400万 431 00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,840 暴增到5000多万 432 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:00,840 免费的营养午餐 433 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:01,840 喊了口号 434 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,840 追加了预算之后呢 435 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,840 开学前那时候还 436 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:04,840 频频的流标 437 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,840 有些学校闲些断锤 438 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,840 深深有先入 439 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,840 其实兑换率一直往下 440 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,840 弱势的领取率还偏低 441 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,840 这些都没有改善 442 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,840 所以显然对SOP的掌握 443 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:17,840 其实很重要的 444 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:18,840 所以我想问 445 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,840 东盟市场的前冬数被误砍 446 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,840 市长你可以告诉大家 447 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,840 你在建立这个所谓SOP的时候 448 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,840 是哪里出了问题 449 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,840 所以才会误砍到这个东盟的前冬数呢 450 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,840 小标先生的提问 451 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:33,840 请讲官先生回答 452 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,840 回答时间两分钟 453 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:36,840 请开始 454 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,840 很遗憾 455 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,840 省委员今天还在辩论会这个现场 456 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,840 持续对于很多不实的说法 457 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,840 来持续的散步 458 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:47,840 你刚提到很多问题 459 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,840 包括营养午餐 460 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,840 其实我们推动营养午餐这件事情 461 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,840 免费不是等于品质打折 462 00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,840 我们维持原本的招标方式 463 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,840 我们一样透过午餐公益委员会 464 00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,840 来进行把关 465 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,840 而且我们台北市的补助 466 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:02,840 是全国最高 467 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,840 连你同党的黄伟哲市长 468 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:06,840 也都愿意跟进 469 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,840 这是一个正确的方向 470 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,840 但是今天你却为了选举 471 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,840 反对这项政策 472 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,840 而且刻意的散播不实言论 473 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,840 说金华国中在内很多学校 474 00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,840 是大规模的食物中毒 475 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,840 但是事实证明 476 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,840 事后的检查都完全合格 477 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,840 你伤害到多少的学生 478 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,840 孩子 家长 校方 老师 479 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,840 你连一句道劝都不愿意 480 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,840 另外你提到树的问题 481 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,840 你到松山区 482 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,840 你甚至说 483 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,840 松山区的树木大幅的减少 484 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,840 但是我们已经发了新闻稿 485 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,840 也出面记者会澄清 486 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,840 你还是在今天 487 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,840 持续制造不实的言论 488 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,840 松山区今年我们增加了 489 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,840 808平方公尺 490 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,840 桥灌木也增加了 491 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,840 1.6万株 492 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,840 这都是客观的事实 493 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,840 为什么为了选举 494 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,840 你却要持续散播不实的谣言 495 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:00,840 另外 496 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,840 我们看到你提到 497 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,840 包括鲜奶的政策 498 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,840 是中央当时班班喝鲜奶 499 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,840 这个政策做不到 500 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,840 我在行政院会希望说 501 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:11,840 没关系你把经费留下 502 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,840 地方政府台北市我们来做 503 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,840 但是总统担院长不愿意 504 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,840 你也不愿意在立法院争取 505 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,840 帮孩子发声 506 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,840 没关系 中央不做 507 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,840 台北来做 508 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,840 我亲自走访四大超商 509 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:25,840 还有各项的卖场业者 510 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,840 一一的跟他们盘点各项的困难 511 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,840 我一一的来解决 512 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,840 透过数位学生卡证 513 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,840 能够让孩子喝到鲜奶 514 00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:34,840 补充钙质 515 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,840 让他们更健康 长得更好 516 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,840 我想这就是我的目的 517 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,840 沈博言相信请继续追问 518 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,840 时间一分钟请开始 519 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,840 这个蒋师长 520 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,840 我刚刚问题 521 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,840 是在问东门的铁冬树 522 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,840 这个砍树的SOP 523 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:49,840 是哪里出了问题 524 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,840 希望你能够说明 525 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:52,840 不过看起来好像没有回答到 526 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,840 那没关系 527 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:55,840 你刚刚在讲这个 528 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,840 营养午餐的事情 529 00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:57,840 说我否定 530 00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,840 没有 没有人在否定 531 00:53:58,840 --> 00:53:59,840 免费的营养午餐 532 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,840 我们是在讲说 533 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,840 要用怎样一个好的制度 534 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,840 执行得更好 535 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,840 让它品质可以维持 536 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,840 我也没有讲说食物中毒 537 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:08,840 我那时候第一时间讲的是 538 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,840 希望能够赶快检验 539 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,840 然后再来树冠的减少 540 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,840 我在记者会讲得很清楚 541 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,840 是松山区树冠的减少 542 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,840 是中研院的数据 543 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:19,840 但是我们并没有讲 544 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,840 那是市政府砍的 545 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:21,840 我们还特别强调 546 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,840 有可能是私人 547 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:23,840 有可能是工程 548 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,840 所以你刚刚说 549 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,840 我传递不实的讯息 550 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,840 你刚刚从头到尾讲的 551 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,840 都是不实的讯息 552 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,840 所以我希望再回过头来问你 553 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,840 你的SOP到底是怎么建立 554 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,840 那你要怎么去遵守 555 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:36,840 然后如果没有遵守到 556 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,840 比如算上这个数目误砍 557 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,840 那是哪一个环节出问题 558 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,840 是否能够跟市民清楚的说明 559 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:44,840 接下来讲官先生 560 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,840 进行回答时间一分半 561 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,840 请开始 562 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,840 你刚刚说到中研院研究员 563 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,840 这个报告 564 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:53,840 你一直引用说 565 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,840 台北市我们整个书冠面积 566 00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,840 少了13.7公顷 567 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,840 我们发了多少篇新闻稿 568 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,840 记者会也再一次的说明 569 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,840 你还是要提出这样的数据 570 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,840 因为很清楚 571 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,840 书冠减少不等于我们砍树 572 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,840 而且证明这整个分析的报告里面 573 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:11,840 如果你有仔细看 574 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,840 我手上这边有一份 575 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,840 绝大部分都是属于私人用地的开发 576 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,840 包括中央辖管的地方 577 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,840 以及大学的校园 578 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,840 但是你却一再的影射台北市政府 579 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,840 还有我们公务员乱砍树 580 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,840 你到现在还在这样子说 581 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,840 我觉得非常非常的遗憾 582 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,840 另外台北市政府我们这四年 583 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,840 种了42,250棵树 584 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:37,840 但是你绝口不提 585 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,840 而且我们规划接下来四年 586 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,840 也要再多种4万棵树 587 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,840 这些都是客观具体的事实 588 00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,840 你却不说 589 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:46,840 而你一再强调 590 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,840 你重视孩子的营养 591 00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,840 但是你刚刚在声论你说 592 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,840 三章EQ 593 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,840 你把它讲成三规一章 594 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,840 请问你是真的 595 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,840 关心孩子的营养午餐吗 596 00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,840 连着最基本的概念 597 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:00,840 你都不了解 598 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,840 而且这是中央早规定的一个法案 599 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,840 所以请问审委员 600 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,840 你是选举到了 601 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,840 你才来关心孩子 602 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,840 才来关心营养午餐吗 603 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,840 我们却是一直走来食中如一 604 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,840 我们推动各项政策 605 00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:15,840 也会不断的精进 606 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:16,840 而且最重要 607 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,840 我们一定把食安做最严格把关 608 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,840 谢谢两位候选人激烈的攻防 609 00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,840 我们先休息五分钟 610 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,840 待会会进行第二阶段的交叉解问 611 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,840 休息一下 612 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,840 马上回来 613 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:56,840 三章Do 614 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,840 下军 615 00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,840 下午 616 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,840 接下午 617 00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,840 下午 618 00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,840 您 619 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:49,820 Thank you. 620 00:57:49,840 --> 00:58:19,820 Thank you. 621 00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:49,820 Thank you. 622 00:58:49,840 --> 00:59:19,820 Thank you. 623 00:59:19,840 --> 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minutes 710 01:29:56,380 --> 01:29:57,380 The question is 711 01:29:57,380 --> 01:29:58,380 TVBS新聞部副理 712 01:29:58,380 --> 01:30:00,380 梵啓明先生 713 01:30:00,380 --> 01:30:01,380 Hello 714 01:30:01,380 --> 01:30:02,380 And 715 01:30:02,380 --> 01:30:03,380 三立新聞網 716 01:30:03,380 --> 01:30:04,380 資深總監 717 01:30:04,380 --> 01:30:05,380 黃映穎女士 718 01:30:05,380 --> 01:30:06,380 Hello 719 01:30:06,380 --> 01:30:07,380 The question is 720 01:30:07,380 --> 01:30:09,380 The question is 721 01:30:09,380 --> 01:30:10,380 3 minutes 722 01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:11,380 The question is 723 01:30:11,380 --> 01:30:14,380 TVBS新聞部副理梵啓明先生 724 01:30:14,380 --> 01:30:16,380 先提問請開始 725 01:30:16,380 --> 01:30:17,380 兩位候選人好 726 01:30:17,380 --> 01:30:18,380 各位觀眾大家好 727 01:30:18,380 --> 01:30:20,380 我是TVBS新聞部副理梵啓明 728 01:30:20,380 --> 01:30:22,380 我想把問題拉回到 729 01:30:22,380 --> 01:30:24,380 台北市民日常的生活當中 730 01:30:24,380 --> 01:30:26,380 我是一個電視台的記者 731 01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:28,380 我們非常重視的就是畫面 732 01:30:28,380 --> 01:30:30,380 我想請兩位跟我一起 733 01:30:30,380 --> 01:30:31,380 設定一個場景 734 01:30:31,380 --> 01:30:32,380 有一個台北市民 735 01:30:32,380 --> 01:30:35,380 他每天都需要同情上班 736 01:30:35,380 --> 01:30:36,380 而他工作的地點 737 01:30:36,380 --> 01:30:39,380 很可能是在內湖科學園區 738 01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:42,380 或是北市科未來的揮答總部 739 01:30:42,380 --> 01:30:44,380 他還有小孩要上學 740 01:30:44,380 --> 01:30:45,380 他有托育的需求 741 01:30:45,380 --> 01:30:46,380 另外家裡面 742 01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:48,380 可能有一些長輩需要照顧 743 01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:49,380 我的問題是 744 01:30:49,380 --> 01:30:51,380 是不是可以請兩位 745 01:30:51,380 --> 01:30:53,380 可以用很具體的方式來描述 746 01:30:53,380 --> 01:30:54,380 這個台北市民 747 01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:57,380 從他每天早上出門的那一刻開始 748 01:30:57,380 --> 01:30:59,380 四年之後的這一天 749 01:30:59,380 --> 01:31:01,380 他的生活會出現什麼樣子的改變 750 01:31:01,380 --> 01:31:04,380 他通勤到內湖或是北市科 751 01:31:04,380 --> 01:31:06,380 有沒有新的選擇 752 01:31:06,380 --> 01:31:07,380 會不會更方便 753 01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:08,380 會不會更安全 754 01:31:08,380 --> 01:31:10,380 另外他要送小朋友到學校 755 01:31:10,380 --> 01:31:11,380 到托嬰中心 756 01:31:11,380 --> 01:31:12,380 到幼兒園 757 01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:13,380 會不會更放心 758 01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:14,380 要照顧家中的長輩 759 01:31:14,380 --> 01:31:16,380 非常非常的辛苦 760 01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:18,380 他可以獲得台北市政府 761 01:31:18,380 --> 01:31:20,380 有沒有更多的一些實際的資源 762 01:31:20,380 --> 01:31:21,380 另外到了假日 763 01:31:21,380 --> 01:31:23,380 台北市有沒有多出一些新的地方 764 01:31:23,380 --> 01:31:25,380 讓他可以出去走一走 765 01:31:25,380 --> 01:31:27,380 可以放鬆心情 766 01:31:27,380 --> 01:31:29,380 可以好好的休息一下 767 01:31:29,380 --> 01:31:31,380 我們知道智慧城市 768 01:31:31,380 --> 01:31:32,380 科技郎帶 769 01:31:32,380 --> 01:31:33,380 或是宜居城市 770 01:31:33,380 --> 01:31:35,380 這些宏觀的願景 771 01:31:35,380 --> 01:31:37,380 是非常讓人相忘 772 01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:39,380 可是台北市民應該會更關心 773 01:31:39,380 --> 01:31:41,380 他們每天的日常生活 774 01:31:41,380 --> 01:31:44,380 會不會因為兩位帶領的台北市 775 01:31:44,380 --> 01:31:46,380 而出現不同的改變 776 01:31:46,380 --> 01:31:47,380 不同的調整 777 01:31:47,380 --> 01:31:48,380 不同的進步 778 01:31:48,380 --> 01:31:52,380 按照抽籤順序 779 01:31:52,380 --> 01:31:54,380 我們請蔣萬先生回答 780 01:31:54,380 --> 01:31:57,380 時間三分鐘請開始 781 01:31:57,380 --> 01:31:58,380 謝謝 782 01:31:58,380 --> 01:32:00,380 四年後的一個早晨 783 01:32:00,380 --> 01:32:01,380 不用急著上班 784 01:32:01,380 --> 01:32:02,380 或請特休 785 01:32:02,380 --> 01:32:05,380 家長每天可以少上班一個小時 786 01:32:05,380 --> 01:32:07,380 接送孩子 787 01:32:07,380 --> 01:32:08,380 因為我們今年推動的 788 01:32:08,380 --> 01:32:10,380 育兒減工時不減薪 789 01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:14,380 半年來已經有480家企業響應 790 01:32:14,380 --> 01:32:16,380 下個四年 791 01:32:16,380 --> 01:32:18,380 我們會讓更多台北的家庭 792 01:32:18,380 --> 01:32:20,380 享受這項政策 793 01:32:20,380 --> 01:32:22,380 所帶來的好處 794 01:32:22,380 --> 01:32:24,380 而且孩子上了公托 795 01:32:24,380 --> 01:32:25,380 不必排隊 796 01:32:25,380 --> 01:32:26,380 我上任以來 797 01:32:26,380 --> 01:32:29,380 公托名額增加52% 798 01:32:29,380 --> 01:32:32,380 公托準公托第二胎免費 799 01:32:32,380 --> 01:32:35,380 這已經成為台北市的現實 800 01:32:35,380 --> 01:32:36,380 四年之後 801 01:32:36,380 --> 01:32:38,380 校校有公托 802 01:32:38,380 --> 01:32:39,380 孩子上幼托 803 01:32:39,380 --> 01:32:42,380 也不再是一場卡位戰 804 01:32:42,380 --> 01:32:44,380 送完孩子 805 01:32:44,380 --> 01:32:46,380 你搭著無人自家公車上班 806 01:32:46,380 --> 01:32:49,380 路過輝達的新群總部 807 01:32:49,380 --> 01:32:52,380 感受到北市科已經是世界級的 808 01:32:52,380 --> 01:32:54,380 AI示範場域 809 01:32:54,380 --> 01:32:57,380 最前沿的創新就在身邊 810 01:32:57,380 --> 01:32:58,380 或者 811 01:32:58,380 --> 01:33:00,380 你坐著捷運通勤 812 01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:02,380 可以從中正紀念堂站 813 01:33:02,380 --> 01:33:03,380 植物園站 814 01:33:03,380 --> 01:33:04,380 夏安站 815 01:33:04,380 --> 01:33:05,380 嘎拉站 816 01:33:05,380 --> 01:33:07,380 一路通往中永和 817 01:33:07,380 --> 01:33:10,380 因為捷運萬大縣一騎 818 01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:12,380 已經啟用通車了 819 01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:13,380 捷運 820 01:33:13,380 --> 01:33:15,380 南環北環段的完工 821 01:33:15,380 --> 01:33:17,380 也就在眼前 822 01:33:17,380 --> 01:33:18,380 下班之後 823 01:33:18,380 --> 01:33:20,380 如果你想要運動 824 01:33:20,380 --> 01:33:22,380 每一個行政區 825 01:33:22,380 --> 01:33:24,380 都已經有第二座運動中心 826 01:33:24,380 --> 01:33:25,380 還有 827 01:33:25,380 --> 01:33:27,380 可以體會射擊 828 01:33:27,380 --> 01:33:29,380 匹克球等多元運動 829 01:33:29,380 --> 01:33:31,380 長輩 830 01:33:31,380 --> 01:33:33,380 如果想要享受一下 831 01:33:33,380 --> 01:33:34,380 敬勞卡 832 01:33:34,380 --> 01:33:35,380 所帶來的福利 833 01:33:35,380 --> 01:33:36,380 明年起 834 01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:37,380 敬勞卡 835 01:33:37,380 --> 01:33:38,380 就能在超市 836 01:33:38,380 --> 01:33:39,380 超商 837 01:33:39,380 --> 01:33:40,380 農會 838 01:33:40,380 --> 01:33:41,380 藥局來使用 839 01:33:41,380 --> 01:33:44,380 而且沒有用完的點數不用擔心 840 01:33:44,380 --> 01:33:45,380 還可以累積 841 01:33:45,380 --> 01:33:46,380 四年之後 842 01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:48,380 長輩們已經很習慣 843 01:33:48,380 --> 01:33:49,380 搭藍色公路遊河 844 01:33:49,380 --> 01:33:51,380 大道城碼頭 845 01:33:51,380 --> 01:33:52,380 到淡水碼頭 846 01:33:52,380 --> 01:33:55,380 可以感受淡水河岸 847 01:33:55,380 --> 01:33:57,380 再造之後的新風貌 848 01:33:57,380 --> 01:33:59,380 下班之後要去哪 849 01:33:59,380 --> 01:34:01,380 你還可以到櫻圖 850 01:34:01,380 --> 01:34:02,380 四年後 851 01:34:02,380 --> 01:34:03,380 全台灣第一座 852 01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:06,380 結合音樂跟圖書館的文化據點 853 01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:07,380 已經完工 854 01:34:07,380 --> 01:34:09,380 城南的台北文學館 855 01:34:09,380 --> 01:34:10,380 也已經啟用 856 01:34:10,380 --> 01:34:13,380 市面因為文化而相聚在一起 857 01:34:13,380 --> 01:34:16,380 今年我們開始推動無菸城市 858 01:34:16,380 --> 01:34:17,380 四年之後 859 01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:18,380 吸煙的人 860 01:34:18,380 --> 01:34:19,380 已經很習慣 861 01:34:19,380 --> 01:34:21,380 去各地的富雅仙市吸煙 862 01:34:21,380 --> 01:34:23,380 走在台北街頭 863 01:34:23,380 --> 01:34:24,380 你聞不到煙味 864 01:34:24,380 --> 01:34:26,380 你呼吸的是全新的台北文化 865 01:34:26,380 --> 01:34:28,380 在街上 866 01:34:28,380 --> 01:34:31,380 老房子陸續拉起圍梨 867 01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:32,380 開始動工 868 01:34:32,380 --> 01:34:33,380 你知道很快這裡 869 01:34:33,380 --> 01:34:36,380 就會立起安全的新大樓 870 01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:38,380 整座城市都在翻新 871 01:34:38,380 --> 01:34:40,380 大步的向前走的節奏 872 01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:42,380 讓人隨處都能感受到 873 01:34:42,380 --> 01:34:44,380 台北的活力 874 01:34:44,380 --> 01:34:46,380 你回到家 875 01:34:46,380 --> 01:34:47,380 住的是都更分回 876 01:34:47,380 --> 01:34:49,380 市府打造的幸福住宅 877 01:34:49,380 --> 01:34:51,380 而且你能安心的讓孩子 878 01:34:51,380 --> 01:34:53,380 住到小學畢業 879 01:34:53,380 --> 01:34:54,380 不用擔心租約到 880 01:34:54,380 --> 01:34:56,380 就要煩惱轉學區 881 01:34:56,380 --> 01:34:58,380 達到四年後的那一個早晨 882 01:34:58,380 --> 01:34:59,380 我們已經出發 883 01:34:59,380 --> 01:35:00,380 同樣的問題 884 01:35:00,380 --> 01:35:01,380 再請沈北陽先生回答 885 01:35:01,380 --> 01:35:02,380 回答時間三分鐘 886 01:35:02,380 --> 01:35:03,380 請開始 887 01:35:03,380 --> 01:35:05,380 謝謝 888 01:35:05,380 --> 01:35:06,380 謝謝凡喜明先生的提問 889 01:35:06,380 --> 01:35:08,380 我覺得這個問題的關鍵 890 01:35:08,380 --> 01:35:09,380 應該是在於說 891 01:35:09,380 --> 01:35:10,380 我們要怎麼樣 892 01:35:10,380 --> 01:35:12,380 讓大家更悠閒的生活 893 01:35:12,380 --> 01:35:13,380 那悠閒的生活 894 01:35:13,380 --> 01:35:14,380 其實第一個重點在於 895 01:35:14,380 --> 01:35:16,380 時間要能夠空出來 896 01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:17,380 時間空出來 897 01:35:17,380 --> 01:35:18,380 現在最能夠做的 898 01:35:18,380 --> 01:35:19,380 其實是跟交通有關 899 01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:20,380 所以這也是為什麼 900 01:35:20,380 --> 01:35:22,380 我提出捷運的總體檢 901 01:35:22,380 --> 01:35:24,380 還有公車路線的重新規劃 902 01:35:24,380 --> 01:35:25,380 還有最重要的一個 903 01:35:25,380 --> 01:35:27,380 通學路網的安全 904 01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:29,380 因為這就可以讓 905 01:35:29,380 --> 01:35:30,380 剛剛講的 906 01:35:30,380 --> 01:35:31,380 在交通上面 907 01:35:31,380 --> 01:35:32,380 我今天帶小孩去上學 908 01:35:32,380 --> 01:35:33,380 上學了之後 909 01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:34,380 我也安心的 910 01:35:34,380 --> 01:35:35,380 因為在那個附近 911 01:35:35,380 --> 01:35:37,380 有整個通學區的維護 912 01:35:37,380 --> 01:35:38,380 如果針對 913 01:35:38,380 --> 01:35:39,380 像剛剛提到的內湖 914 01:35:39,380 --> 01:35:41,380 內科或以後的北市科 915 01:35:41,380 --> 01:35:42,380 從彈性的工時 916 01:35:42,380 --> 01:35:43,380 到智慧的通勤 917 01:35:43,380 --> 01:35:44,380 到綠色的通勤 918 01:35:44,380 --> 01:35:45,380 這都是我們之前 919 01:35:45,380 --> 01:35:47,380 有提過的方案 920 01:35:47,380 --> 01:35:48,380 用這樣的一個方式 921 01:35:48,380 --> 01:35:49,380 先讓一些時間 922 01:35:49,380 --> 01:35:50,380 能夠空出來 923 01:35:50,380 --> 01:35:51,380 才能夠講到 924 01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:53,380 要怎麼去悠閒的生活 925 01:35:53,380 --> 01:35:54,380 那在育兒的部分 926 01:35:54,380 --> 01:35:56,380 我們之前最強調的 927 01:35:56,380 --> 01:35:57,380 其實就是 928 01:35:57,380 --> 01:35:58,380 家庭一贊同 929 01:35:58,380 --> 01:36:00,380 家長版的1999 930 01:36:00,380 --> 01:36:01,380 因為這個零到18歲 931 01:36:01,380 --> 01:36:03,380 在這個養育的過程當中 932 01:36:03,380 --> 01:36:05,380 其實會有很多的疑難雜症 933 01:36:05,380 --> 01:36:06,380 那我們是很希望 934 01:36:06,380 --> 01:36:07,380 家長永遠都有一個專線 935 01:36:07,380 --> 01:36:08,380 他可以去問 936 01:36:08,380 --> 01:36:09,380 所以除了原來的 937 01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:11,380 公托跟零托之外 938 01:36:11,380 --> 01:36:12,380 重點是要減低 939 01:36:12,380 --> 01:36:14,380 他今天育兒的焦慮感 940 01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:15,380 所以當他馬上 941 01:36:15,380 --> 01:36:16,380 都有人可以問的時候 942 01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:17,380 他就可以獲得 943 01:36:17,380 --> 01:36:19,380 相對應的資源 944 01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:20,380 那我們也會去增加 945 01:36:20,380 --> 01:36:22,380 相關的這個心理的諮商 946 01:36:22,380 --> 01:36:23,380 那運動的部分 947 01:36:23,380 --> 01:36:25,380 剛剛其實當然我們都提到 948 01:36:25,380 --> 01:36:27,380 有運動中心等等之類 949 01:36:27,380 --> 01:36:28,380 但我認為 950 01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:29,380 尤其是我們的年長者的運動 951 01:36:29,380 --> 01:36:30,380 特別的重要 952 01:36:30,380 --> 01:36:31,380 所以對於 953 01:36:31,380 --> 01:36:32,380 健老卡的升級 954 01:36:32,380 --> 01:36:33,380 要做什麼事情 955 01:36:33,380 --> 01:36:34,380 我反而比較強調 956 01:36:34,380 --> 01:36:35,380 就是希望健老卡 957 01:36:35,380 --> 01:36:37,380 是能夠用在 958 01:36:37,380 --> 01:36:38,380 所謂的健身小巴 959 01:36:38,380 --> 01:36:39,380 也就是說 960 01:36:39,380 --> 01:36:40,380 他不用直接到健身房 961 01:36:40,380 --> 01:36:42,380 而是有一個電動巴士 962 01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:43,380 直接到社區 963 01:36:43,380 --> 01:36:44,380 那個帳篷 964 01:36:44,380 --> 01:36:45,380 那個一打開 965 01:36:45,380 --> 01:36:46,380 下面有兩個健身咲戀 966 01:36:46,380 --> 01:36:48,380 也有可能有營養師 967 01:36:48,380 --> 01:36:49,380 有物理治療師 968 01:36:49,380 --> 01:36:51,380 是能夠直接幫我們的長者 969 01:36:51,380 --> 01:36:52,380 下了樓梯之後 970 01:36:52,380 --> 01:36:53,380 在很近的地方 971 01:36:53,380 --> 01:36:54,380 就可以來做 972 01:36:54,380 --> 01:36:56,380 阻力相關的訓練 973 01:36:56,380 --> 01:36:57,380 所以這個時候 974 01:36:57,380 --> 01:36:58,380 搭配原本我們的都市 975 01:36:58,380 --> 01:36:59,380 維森林的政策 976 01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:01,380 他從健身小巴開始 977 01:37:01,380 --> 01:37:03,380 再到遠一點的公園 978 01:37:03,380 --> 01:37:04,380 然後再到我們講的 979 01:37:04,380 --> 01:37:05,380 河濱 980 01:37:05,380 --> 01:37:06,380 配合我們的文化境 981 01:37:06,380 --> 01:37:07,380 山林境的政策 982 01:37:07,380 --> 01:37:08,380 不但是讓大家 983 01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:10,380 有更多地方可以去 984 01:37:10,380 --> 01:37:11,380 而且還可以促成 985 01:37:11,380 --> 01:37:12,380 觀光的效益 986 01:37:12,380 --> 01:37:13,380 還有一個我們推出的 987 01:37:13,380 --> 01:37:14,380 親子同心卡 988 01:37:14,380 --> 01:37:15,380 剛剛說 989 01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:16,380 到底要去哪裡 990 01:37:16,380 --> 01:37:17,380 其實最主要的是 991 01:37:17,380 --> 01:37:19,380 我們要人能夠商圈的復蘇 992 01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:20,380 當商圈復蘇之後 993 01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:21,380 大家就不用 994 01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:22,380 跑大老遠去玩 995 01:37:22,380 --> 01:37:24,380 他可以在家裡附近 996 01:37:24,380 --> 01:37:25,380 可能這個書店 997 01:37:25,380 --> 01:37:27,380 就辦了一個走讀的活動 998 01:37:27,380 --> 01:37:28,380 他可以參加 999 01:37:28,380 --> 01:37:29,380 書店賺到錢 1000 01:37:29,380 --> 01:37:31,380 父母也稍微放鬆一下 1001 01:37:31,380 --> 01:37:33,380 小孩可以學到東西 1002 01:37:33,380 --> 01:37:34,380 所以藉由這樣的一個推力 1003 01:37:34,380 --> 01:37:35,380 其實重點不是 1004 01:37:35,380 --> 01:37:37,380 增加了多少金額 1005 01:37:37,380 --> 01:37:38,380 而是我們的金額 1006 01:37:38,380 --> 01:37:39,380 在花下去的時候 1007 01:37:39,380 --> 01:37:40,380 有沒有辦法 1008 01:37:40,380 --> 01:37:42,380 形成一個制度上的推力 1009 01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:44,380 讓大家願意去使用 1010 01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:46,380 而且使用的會開心 1011 01:37:46,380 --> 01:37:47,380 甚至會開始說 1012 01:37:47,380 --> 01:37:49,380 我這個點數不夠 1013 01:37:49,380 --> 01:37:50,380 所以藉由這些 1014 01:37:50,380 --> 01:37:51,380 我們剛剛講的這個方案 1015 01:37:51,380 --> 01:37:54,380 搭配我們整體的都市規劃 1016 01:37:54,380 --> 01:37:56,380 畢竟一個都市是需要美感 1017 01:37:56,380 --> 01:37:58,380 那剛剛如果大家的焦慮感減低 1018 01:37:58,380 --> 01:38:00,380 都市的美感能夠出現 1019 01:38:00,380 --> 01:38:03,380 這就是我對於未來台北的願景 1020 01:38:03,380 --> 01:38:05,380 好繼續第二位媒體代表 1021 01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:07,380 是由三立新聞網資深總監 1022 01:38:07,380 --> 01:38:09,380 黃燕儀女士提問 1023 01:38:09,380 --> 01:38:10,380 同樣兩位候選人 1024 01:38:10,380 --> 01:38:12,380 各有三分鐘時間回答 1025 01:38:12,380 --> 01:38:13,380 請黃燕儀女士提問 1026 01:38:13,380 --> 01:38:16,380 提問時間兩分鐘請開始 1027 01:38:16,380 --> 01:38:18,380 大家好我代表三立電視提問 1028 01:38:18,380 --> 01:38:19,380 我想要觸及一個 1029 01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:21,380 大家都能夠認同很迫切 1030 01:38:21,380 --> 01:38:23,380 但卻也很艱困的一個話題 1031 01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:24,380 就是都更啦 1032 01:38:24,380 --> 01:38:26,380 因為台北市面臨人口和建築 1033 01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:27,380 雙重老化的問題 1034 01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:30,380 很多老舊住宅其實面臨很高的耐震風險 1035 01:38:30,380 --> 01:38:34,380 卻也常有這個產權整合程序 1036 01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:35,380 陨長各種的問題 1037 01:38:35,380 --> 01:38:37,380 那以目前的更新進度 1038 01:38:37,380 --> 01:38:39,380 請問有沒有辦法再加速 1039 01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:41,380 那我們知道現行的制度其實是 1040 01:38:41,380 --> 01:38:43,380 誰先整合成功誰就可以先讀更 1041 01:38:43,380 --> 01:38:45,380 但是高風險很多的住宅 1042 01:38:45,380 --> 01:38:47,380 其實可能會陷入漫長的等待喔 1043 01:38:47,380 --> 01:38:50,380 那我們也知道現在老屋漸減 1044 01:38:50,380 --> 01:38:53,380 幾乎也都是靠住戶自己自願去辦理 1045 01:38:53,380 --> 01:38:56,380 我想要問一下就是說 1046 01:38:56,380 --> 01:38:57,380 同樣我們來看看 1047 01:38:57,380 --> 01:38:59,380 位於地震帶的大城市 1048 01:38:59,380 --> 01:39:01,380 像東京和洛杉磯 1049 01:39:01,380 --> 01:39:04,380 其實他們政府是有機制去推動 1050 01:39:04,380 --> 01:39:06,380 就是強制的去介入清查 1051 01:39:06,380 --> 01:39:08,380 特定高風險的建築 1052 01:39:08,380 --> 01:39:10,380 並且公開資訊 1053 01:39:10,380 --> 01:39:11,380 還推動補強的措施 1054 01:39:11,380 --> 01:39:13,380 我想要請問兩位候選人 1055 01:39:13,380 --> 01:39:14,380 在現行的法定之下 1056 01:39:14,380 --> 01:39:16,380 你認為台北的都更 1057 01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:18,380 現在面臨到最艱困的 1058 01:39:18,380 --> 01:39:20,380 要突破的障礙是什麼 1059 01:39:20,380 --> 01:39:22,380 那在國際經驗當中 1060 01:39:22,380 --> 01:39:23,380 包括主動的清查 1061 01:39:23,380 --> 01:39:24,380 包括公開資訊 1062 01:39:24,380 --> 01:39:25,380 或其他的做法 1063 01:39:25,380 --> 01:39:28,380 有沒有適合我們借進的地方 1064 01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:30,380 另外如果高風險的住戶 1065 01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:31,380 長期談不攏的話 1066 01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:33,380 市府將如何更積極 1067 01:39:33,380 --> 01:39:35,380 更快速的主動的介入 1068 01:39:35,380 --> 01:39:38,380 同時兼顧公安和住戶的權益 1069 01:39:38,380 --> 01:39:40,380 最後我想要請兩位的候選人 1070 01:39:40,380 --> 01:39:42,380 以市長的高度告訴國人 1071 01:39:42,380 --> 01:39:44,380 在地震和極端氣候 1072 01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:47,380 複合性衝擊的威脅之下 1073 01:39:47,380 --> 01:39:50,380 你對首都居住任性的願景 1074 01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:51,380 謝謝 1075 01:39:51,380 --> 01:39:53,380 我們先請沈伯陽先生回答 1076 01:39:53,380 --> 01:39:55,380 時間三分鐘請開始 1077 01:39:55,380 --> 01:39:58,380 謝謝黃燕儀女士的提問 1078 01:39:58,380 --> 01:40:00,380 剛剛講到所謂的任性程式 1079 01:40:00,380 --> 01:40:02,380 任性程式大概可以分成兩個方向 1080 01:40:02,380 --> 01:40:03,380 一個是硬體的 1081 01:40:03,380 --> 01:40:04,380 一個是軟體的 1082 01:40:04,380 --> 01:40:05,380 硬體的就是回到 1083 01:40:05,380 --> 01:40:07,380 剛剛講的都市更新的問題 1084 01:40:07,380 --> 01:40:09,380 軟體的部分就是這種 1085 01:40:09,380 --> 01:40:10,380 人跟人之間的連結 1086 01:40:10,380 --> 01:40:12,380 互相認識這個 1087 01:40:12,380 --> 01:40:13,380 今天看起來不是問後半段 1088 01:40:13,380 --> 01:40:15,380 所以我就講硬體的部分 1089 01:40:15,380 --> 01:40:16,380 剛剛其實有提到 1090 01:40:16,380 --> 01:40:17,380 要怎麼去加速 1091 01:40:17,380 --> 01:40:19,380 要怎麼去參考國外的經驗 1092 01:40:19,380 --> 01:40:22,380 其實東京對於這種老舊的房屋的經驗 1093 01:40:22,380 --> 01:40:24,380 其實非常的豐富 1094 01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:25,380 我們大概有幾個大的面向 1095 01:40:25,380 --> 01:40:27,380 一個當然是本來的都更 1096 01:40:27,380 --> 01:40:29,380 另外有一個老宅嚴寿 1097 01:40:29,380 --> 01:40:31,380 還有一個在中間的叫做為老 1098 01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:32,380 那為老條例呢 1099 01:40:32,380 --> 01:40:33,380 其實我們現在在立法院 1100 01:40:33,380 --> 01:40:35,380 也在擬定相關的修法措施 1101 01:40:35,380 --> 01:40:37,380 希望為老以後能夠更順利的進行 1102 01:40:37,380 --> 01:40:38,380 而東京裡面有一個 1103 01:40:38,380 --> 01:40:40,380 我們蠻值得借進的一個制度 1104 01:40:40,380 --> 01:40:42,380 叫做權力轉換的制度 1105 01:40:42,380 --> 01:40:43,380 這個權力轉換的制度 1106 01:40:43,380 --> 01:40:44,380 因為今天時間因素 1107 01:40:44,380 --> 01:40:45,380 沒有辦法有那麼多的時間 1108 01:40:45,380 --> 01:40:46,380 來跟大家介紹 1109 01:40:46,380 --> 01:40:47,380 但是它有可能是一個 1110 01:40:47,380 --> 01:40:50,380 能夠去加速的解放 1111 01:40:50,380 --> 01:40:51,380 那回過頭來 1112 01:40:51,380 --> 01:40:53,380 我們除了剛剛講的硬體上 1113 01:40:53,380 --> 01:40:54,380 這種各種不同的法令 1114 01:40:54,380 --> 01:40:56,380 要怎麼讓它順利的進行之外 1115 01:40:56,380 --> 01:40:58,380 還有一件事情很重要的就是 1116 01:40:58,380 --> 01:41:00,380 我們針對每一個建築物的 1117 01:41:00,380 --> 01:41:02,380 耐震安全的疑慮 1118 01:41:02,380 --> 01:41:04,380 這就好像我們今天在買那種食品的時候 1119 01:41:04,380 --> 01:41:05,380 大家都會去看 1120 01:41:05,380 --> 01:41:06,380 這個有效日期 1121 01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:08,380 然後如果你今天過了有效日期 1122 01:41:08,380 --> 01:41:09,380 大家可能就會說 1123 01:41:09,380 --> 01:41:10,380 那這個東西不要買 1124 01:41:10,380 --> 01:41:12,380 但是我們在買建築物的時候 1125 01:41:12,380 --> 01:41:14,380 這是一個很大筆的消費 1126 01:41:14,380 --> 01:41:16,380 但是我們卻的確有耐震 1127 01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:18,380 這個評估的一個機制跟補助 1128 01:41:18,380 --> 01:41:21,380 但是並沒有那麼完整的機制 1129 01:41:21,380 --> 01:41:22,380 所以我覺得這是一個市政府 1130 01:41:22,380 --> 01:41:24,380 現在應該就可以來做的事情 1131 01:41:24,380 --> 01:41:25,380 因為市政府有這種 1132 01:41:25,380 --> 01:41:26,380 比如說建造 1133 01:41:26,380 --> 01:41:27,380 使用執照 1134 01:41:27,380 --> 01:41:28,380 設計圖 1135 01:41:28,380 --> 01:41:30,380 建築管理資料 1136 01:41:30,380 --> 01:41:31,380 所以如果在這邊 1137 01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:33,380 能夠先建立一套制度的話 1138 01:41:33,380 --> 01:41:35,380 那麼對於剛剛講的前面 1139 01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:36,380 可能的權力的轉換 1140 01:41:36,380 --> 01:41:38,380 或者大家在購屋的時候 1141 01:41:38,380 --> 01:41:40,380 就會有一個遵循的依據 1142 01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:43,380 所以這邊我是主張大概有三個階段 1143 01:41:43,380 --> 01:41:44,380 是一定要趕快做 1144 01:41:44,380 --> 01:41:47,380 第一個是建立建築物耐震風險的出篩 1145 01:41:47,380 --> 01:41:48,380 就是出篩的制度 1146 01:41:48,380 --> 01:41:50,380 市政府直接來做 1147 01:41:50,380 --> 01:41:51,380 那就可以優先 1148 01:41:51,380 --> 01:41:54,380 比如說在耐震法規之前的這些建築物 1149 01:41:54,380 --> 01:41:55,380 那它老舊了之後 1150 01:41:55,380 --> 01:41:56,380 那該怎麼辦 1151 01:41:56,380 --> 01:41:57,380 但是你今天出篩完之後 1152 01:41:57,380 --> 01:41:59,380 你不是馬上給別人貼標籤 1153 01:41:59,380 --> 01:42:02,380 而是當它今天我們篩檢之後發現它有問題 1154 01:42:02,380 --> 01:42:05,380 我之前提的老宅的服務團就要出現 1155 01:42:05,380 --> 01:42:08,380 絕對不要讓別人在網路上自己還要查表格 1156 01:42:08,380 --> 01:42:10,380 還要查表格還要問人 1157 01:42:10,380 --> 01:42:11,380 不是 1158 01:42:11,380 --> 01:42:13,380 是我們自己的服務到家門口 1159 01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:14,380 因為你已經做了出篩的制度 1160 01:42:14,380 --> 01:42:15,380 那這個時候 1161 01:42:15,380 --> 01:42:18,380 你就可以用剛剛講的行動服務團 1162 01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:19,380 主動到府 1163 01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:23,380 然後去整合中央跟地方現在既有的資源 1164 01:42:23,380 --> 01:42:25,380 不管是專有的還是公有的 1165 01:42:25,380 --> 01:42:26,380 那去提供這個耐震補助 1166 01:42:26,380 --> 01:42:29,380 跟都跟專業的陪伴跟支持 1167 01:42:29,380 --> 01:42:30,380 那最後一個階段 1168 01:42:30,380 --> 01:42:32,380 就是可以做資訊的揭露 1169 01:42:32,380 --> 01:42:35,380 因為不能只是我們市政府跟這些住戶之間 1170 01:42:35,380 --> 01:42:37,380 而是所有在這一個房市之間 1171 01:42:37,380 --> 01:42:39,380 大家對於這件事情呢 1172 01:42:39,380 --> 01:42:40,380 不能說沒有評估 1173 01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:42,380 它有相關的一些註記 1174 01:42:42,380 --> 01:42:44,380 可以去保障購屋的這個知情權 1175 01:42:44,380 --> 01:42:45,380 所以呢 1176 01:42:45,380 --> 01:42:47,380 我們當然不會去當這種風紀股長 1177 01:42:47,380 --> 01:42:48,380 就是說 1178 01:42:48,380 --> 01:42:49,380 從體檢啊 1179 01:42:49,380 --> 01:42:50,380 然後出來然後說你出錯 1180 01:42:50,380 --> 01:42:51,380 不是 1181 01:42:51,380 --> 01:42:52,380 而是體檢之後你是要服務 1182 01:42:52,380 --> 01:42:53,380 你是要補強 1183 01:42:53,380 --> 01:42:56,380 然後讓任性能夠回到這座城市 1184 01:42:56,380 --> 01:42:58,380 我們再請蔣安先生回答 1185 01:42:58,380 --> 01:43:00,380 時間三分鐘請開始 1186 01:43:00,380 --> 01:43:02,380 我想大家很期待 1187 01:43:02,380 --> 01:43:05,380 神委員說要在10月集出都跟的政見 1188 01:43:05,380 --> 01:43:07,380 但是剛剛一路聽下來 1189 01:43:07,380 --> 01:43:08,380 聲論到剛剛回答 1190 01:43:08,380 --> 01:43:09,380 都聽到都跟要陪伴 1191 01:43:09,380 --> 01:43:12,380 好不容易終於聽到說要做出塞 1192 01:43:12,380 --> 01:43:13,380 但神委員你知道 1193 01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:16,380 這個裁北市政府早就在做了 1194 01:43:16,380 --> 01:43:18,380 我們針對立即危險的建物 1195 01:43:18,380 --> 01:43:20,380 包括像海沙屋 紅黃丹 1196 01:43:20,380 --> 01:43:21,380 我們要限期補強 1197 01:43:21,380 --> 01:43:24,380 也透過公辦都跟575的機制 1198 01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:27,380 主動介入讓他們盡速的改建 1199 01:43:27,380 --> 01:43:29,380 另外對於潛在危險的建物 1200 01:43:29,380 --> 01:43:31,380 像是年輕63年以前的建物 1201 01:43:31,380 --> 01:43:33,380 我們可以重建誘因 1202 01:43:33,380 --> 01:43:35,380 提供防災型都跟的容積獎勵 1203 01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:37,380 提高住戶還有建商他們 1204 01:43:37,380 --> 01:43:40,380 願意促使房屋早日改建的意願 1205 01:43:40,380 --> 01:43:42,380 才是解決問題的方法 1206 01:43:42,380 --> 01:43:44,380 你剛剛談到的服務團 1207 01:43:44,380 --> 01:43:45,380 我們也早就在座 1208 01:43:45,380 --> 01:43:47,380 我們有都跟輔導團 1209 01:43:47,380 --> 01:43:49,380 主動積極的協助這些危險建物 1210 01:43:49,380 --> 01:43:51,380 進行相關的諮商 1211 01:43:51,380 --> 01:43:53,380 所以包括我們很多指標型的 1212 01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:55,380 性危整宅 南機場 1213 01:43:55,380 --> 01:43:56,380 還有斯文里等等 1214 01:43:56,380 --> 01:43:59,380 也是因為我們主動的協助輔導 1215 01:43:59,380 --> 01:44:01,380 讓他們能夠加速都跟的速度 1216 01:44:01,380 --> 01:44:03,380 這些早在做 1217 01:44:03,380 --> 01:44:05,380 另外你也包括資訊揭露 1218 01:44:05,380 --> 01:44:06,380 我們對於這些危險的 1219 01:44:06,380 --> 01:44:09,380 包括海沙屋也都有揭露 1220 01:44:09,380 --> 01:44:11,380 所以沈委員你提出很多的政見跟想法 1221 01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:14,380 還是必須要非常的務實可行 1222 01:44:14,380 --> 01:44:18,380 而且要了解台北市政府都已經在做 1223 01:44:18,380 --> 01:44:21,380 另外也謝謝提問人提到 1224 01:44:21,380 --> 01:44:23,380 我們最重要參考 1225 01:44:23,380 --> 01:44:24,380 其實就是東京 1226 01:44:24,380 --> 01:44:26,380 我和東京都知智小直百合子 1227 01:44:26,380 --> 01:44:27,380 見過很多次 1228 01:44:27,380 --> 01:44:29,380 團隊之間交流也很密切 1229 01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:31,380 我們自然風險幾乎一樣 1230 01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:33,380 胡志門知秋就是一個好例子 1231 01:44:33,380 --> 01:44:35,380 給了我們很大的啟發 1232 01:44:35,380 --> 01:44:37,380 而都跟最困難的是整合 1233 01:44:37,380 --> 01:44:40,380 因為誘因不足信任不夠 1234 01:44:40,380 --> 01:44:41,380 民眾很擔心 1235 01:44:41,380 --> 01:44:43,380 到底我可以分回多少坪數 1236 01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:45,380 我是不是要再自掏腰包 1237 01:44:45,380 --> 01:44:47,380 我這樣的分擔是不是我能附和 1238 01:44:47,380 --> 01:44:50,380 我對都跟的程序法規不了解 1239 01:44:50,380 --> 01:44:52,380 而讓整合卡關 1240 01:44:52,380 --> 01:44:53,380 所以我們推出了都跟八件 1241 01:44:53,380 --> 01:44:55,380 對症下藥 1242 01:44:55,380 --> 01:44:57,380 這四年台北都跟暗量 1243 01:44:57,380 --> 01:44:59,380 已經是過去的2.4倍 1244 01:44:59,380 --> 01:45:01,380 是其他五都加總1.4倍 1245 01:45:01,380 --> 01:45:03,380 另外提問人提到 1246 01:45:03,380 --> 01:45:05,380 有關風險的建物 1247 01:45:05,380 --> 01:45:07,380 但是談不攏的老屋 1248 01:45:07,380 --> 01:45:08,380 我們推出了新政 1249 01:45:08,380 --> 01:45:10,380 拉起三層的防護網 1250 01:45:10,380 --> 01:45:13,380 第一 大接闊的都跟 1251 01:45:13,380 --> 01:45:15,380 基準容積從225提高到300 1252 01:45:15,380 --> 01:45:17,380 大幅提升誘因 1253 01:45:17,380 --> 01:45:18,380 讓更多的老屋 1254 01:45:18,380 --> 01:45:21,380 有機會納入大接闊的更新 1255 01:45:21,380 --> 01:45:23,380 第二 5099公辦都跟 1256 01:45:23,380 --> 01:45:25,380 只要住戶過半同意 1257 01:45:25,380 --> 01:45:27,380 市府就開始推動下一階段 1258 01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:30,380 協助主動進場幫忙試算 1259 01:45:30,380 --> 01:45:32,380 評估相關的權利義務 1260 01:45:32,380 --> 01:45:33,380 公開透明 1261 01:45:33,380 --> 01:45:34,380 第三 1262 01:45:34,380 --> 01:45:36,380 四年來我們推出的防災型都跟 1263 01:45:36,380 --> 01:45:39,380 提供多出30%的容積獎勵 1264 01:45:39,380 --> 01:45:41,380 還有包括海沙575政策 1265 01:45:41,380 --> 01:45:43,380 只要住戶過半的同意 1266 01:45:43,380 --> 01:45:44,380 我們就介入 1267 01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:46,380 達到75%門檻 1268 01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:47,380 就實施都跟 1269 01:45:47,380 --> 01:45:49,380 未來的首都 1270 01:45:49,380 --> 01:45:50,380 安全不能等 1271 01:45:50,380 --> 01:45:52,380 我們已經進入大都跟時代 1272 01:45:52,380 --> 01:45:55,380 我們也盤整了11種防災情境 1273 01:45:55,380 --> 01:45:59,380 全力建構台北成為任性城市 1274 01:45:59,380 --> 01:46:02,380 好 謝謝兩位提問的媒體代表 1275 01:46:02,380 --> 01:46:04,380 也謝謝兩位候選人的回應 1276 01:46:04,380 --> 01:46:06,380 而接下來我們要進入最後 1277 01:46:06,380 --> 01:46:08,380 也是最重要的結論時間 1278 01:46:08,380 --> 01:46:10,380 我們休息一下馬上回來 1279 01:46:10,380 --> 01:46:11,380 我們休息一下馬上回來 1280 01:46:38,380 --> 01:46:39,380 鐧lying 1281 01:46:39,380 --> 01:46:40,380 我們休息一下 1282 01:46:40,380 --> 01:46:41,380 我們休息一下 1283 01:46:41,380 --> 01:46:52,380 我們休息一下 1284 01:46:52,380 --> 01:46:53,380 adjusting 1285 01:46:53,380 --> 01:46:55,380 自家人消息 1286 01:46:55,380 --> 01:46:56,380 我們我們靠地 1287 01:46:56,380 --> 01:46:57,380 雷塑 1288 01:46:57,380 --> 01:46:58,380 爲 1289 01:46:58,380 --> 01:46:59,380 我們 1290 01:46:59,380 --> 01:47:29,360 Thank you. 1291 01:47:29,380 --> 01:47:59,360 Thank you. 1292 01:47:59,380 --> 01:48:29,360 Thank you. 1293 01:48:29,380 --> 01:48:59,360 Thank you. 1294 01:48:59,380 --> 01:49:29,360 Thank you. 1295 01:49:29,380 --> 01:49:59,360 Thank you. 1296 01:49:59,380 --> 01:50:29,360 Thank you. 1297 01:50:29,380 --> 01:50:59,360 Thank you. 1298 01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:29,340 Thank you. 1299 01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:59,320 Thank you. 1300 01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:29,300 Thank 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1323 02:03:29,020 --> 02:03:59,000 Thank you. 1324 02:03:59,020 --> 02:04:29,000 Thank you. 1325 02:04:29,020 --> 02:04:59,000 Thank you. 1326 02:04:59,020 --> 02:05:29,000 Thank you. 1327 02:05:29,020 --> 02:05:59,000 Thank you. 1328 02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:29,000 Thank you. 1329 02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:58,980 Thank you. 1330 02:06:58,980 --> 02:07:28,960 Thank you. 1331 02:07:28,980 --> 02:07:45,010 Thank you.